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I really like your blog and it gave me a lot ...Hi,<br /><br />I really like your blog and it gave me a lot of information. I am undertaking a project in Hackney on cargo bikes.<br /><br />http://cargobikeculture.blogspot.com/Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18057300185057697225noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7129037502516609710.post-48262856201101609512011-01-14T18:39:48.936+00:002011-01-14T18:39:48.936+00:00I have a cargo bike after spending over a year con...I have a cargo bike after spending over a year convincing my husband I would actually use it.<br /><br />I have the bakfiets and bought mine secondhand for £700, its not shiny anymore but I love it,and use it every day to transport two kids 7yr & 5yr. It is hard work uphills but I manage.<br />Soon going to get the box sorted to advertise my business.<br />Overall I've had a postive response only a couple of sniggers which I choose to ignore!!<br />KerryAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7129037502516609710.post-67799539381278816082011-01-10T20:24:29.826+00:002011-01-10T20:24:29.826+00:00Perhaps should get some Boris Bike cargo variants ...Perhaps should get some Boris Bike cargo variants and put some at various docks around London... used them in the same way as normal Boris bikes...Sihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08234024740588182547noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7129037502516609710.post-4055353312548044752010-12-01T10:18:21.726+00:002010-12-01T10:18:21.726+00:00"Going to introduce cargo cult in London, huh..."Going to introduce cargo cult in London, huh?"<br /><br />This comment was left by a blogger from Spain called Txarli who believes the Dutch cycling model is the antithesis of all that is good in cycling. Sadly, he is unable to communicate his arguments cohesively without resorting to being rude, crude and downright abusive.<br /><br />That he is choosing to now leave comments anonymously is frankly ridiculous and I feel sorry for the fact that he is so ashamed of his own opinions that he is not even prepared to put his name to them on a public forum.<br /><br />If you want to see some of his classic rantings (and have half an hour and a heart rate monitor to spare) do click over to here, dear reader, and read on agog;<br /><br />http://bicilibre.wordpress.com/2010/09/15/un-momento-de-zapping-a-twitter/<br /><br />In the meantime, Txarli of BiciLibre, if you have nothing productive to contribute, and can not even bring yourself to put your name to your contributions, may I politely suggest that you do not bother to contribute at all.ibikelondonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06978714126105951294noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7129037502516609710.post-16437795229583646342010-11-30T15:22:18.086+00:002010-11-30T15:22:18.086+00:00Going to introduce cargo cult in London, huh?Going to introduce cargo cult in London, huh?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7129037502516609710.post-11038459500886978302010-11-30T13:14:16.400+00:002010-11-30T13:14:16.400+00:00Wow there are a lot of comments on this post - to ...Wow there are a lot of comments on this post - to me this demonstrates that there is lots of appetite for wider family cycling as a cornerstone of mass cycling but not nearly enough is being done to incubate it.<br /><br />Putting aside the safety issue, it's clear that costs of cargo bikes are a real road hump to progress. It galls me that the best of the bike to work scheme has been taken away by the Government recently and of course this only ever covered bikes up to the value of £1000. If there are sufficient funds at the treasury to offer £5K sweeteners to people buying electric cars I'm sure some money could be found the bring about cargo bike culture!ibikelondonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06978714126105951294noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7129037502516609710.post-62032599123076778202010-11-30T10:40:49.214+00:002010-11-30T10:40:49.214+00:00@Adam - I would I agree with you about cycling inf...@Adam - I would I agree with you about cycling infrastructure in the UK - it literally is a barrier to large cargo bikes - even to the two wheeled variety! My wife regularly has to ride on the road instead of the off-road provision because she literally cannot get onto the path due to ridiculously over-engineered gates & posts. The answer would be to take a look at how the Dutch do it - Dutch Model Infrastructure. Hence my reference to Road Danger earlier.<br /><br />I still think that if we're simply trying to encourage more people into Cargo bikes (assuming we're NOT prepared to tackle the road danger problem) then the cost of ownership has to be tackled; it has to be reduced dramatically if we want to see any kind of critical mass.<br /><br />I have a 3 and 5 year old (and soon a 0 year old). We don't own a car. The 5 year old isn't quite ready for a tag-along. We have a Christiania - which we've found to be incredibly useful for all sorts of short trips - we often ferry both kids around plus loads of shopping - it's difficult to see how we could do that comfortably with other solutions. When we have 3 kids the Christiania will come into it's own. Plus, Christiania's are very good in snow (it's just snowed here in London BTW)!<br /><br />I agree, you wouldn't want to ride long distances with a large cargo bike (although it is possible). We probably cover many miles in a day, but those miles are made up of lots of short trips, like going to the school, then onto the shops, then to the childminder, then to swimming pool etc - all short local journeys which are hardly noticeable, but all add up.<br /><br />It's interesting to read David Hembrow's comments. I suppose I shouldn't be surprised they have little use for cargo bikes in the Netherlands. I guess this is due to better subjective safety - parents are happier to load up their two wheeled bikes with two (more?) kids and wobble down the road (sorry, segregated path). They're also a lot happier to have their kids ride their own machines at a younger age. Can anyone imagine letting their 5 year old loose on the road in the UK? 10 year old? If it's not safe enough for Postmen...<br /><br />I have to say I feel 'quite' safe with the kids in a Christiania - it does seem to command 'more' respect from other road users, especially if the kids are visible (but I'm probably fooling myself). Personally, I've never liked having the kids in a trailer - they 'feel' very vulnerable back down there - but that's just me.Chrisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7129037502516609710.post-14166295233963506492010-11-30T10:36:18.244+00:002010-11-30T10:36:18.244+00:00Lots of stuff being carried around by bike in cent...Lots of stuff being carried around by bike in central London now. I've just blogged about it here:<br />http://kenningtonpob.blogspot.com/2010/11/moving-stuff-by-bike.htmlCharlie Hollandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02907483153757193008noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7129037502516609710.post-63694789823199541172010-11-30T09:49:40.108+00:002010-11-30T09:49:40.108+00:00I've commented on this here (or elsewhere anyw...I've commented on this here (or elsewhere anyways) before.<br /><br />I use a double trailer and a rear child seat at the moment to transport a 4y/o and 1y/o twins to school and nursery.<br /><br />The key thing about it is that all the extra seating COMES OFF the bike. Otherwise my other half wouldn't be able to pick them up again.<br /><br />Either I'd have to do pick up AND drop off, in which case I couldn't work full time, or we'd need TWO cargo bikes.<br /><br />That said, the current arrangement works beautifully and the trailer will get sold on in good time (it was 2nd hand to start with).<br /><br />What it won't do is fit through our front door, so I built a shelter for it:<br />http://www.flickr.com/photos/chthonic/sets/72157623777315658/Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10983139971962378346noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7129037502516609710.post-68026137780378521332010-11-29T21:07:39.499+00:002010-11-29T21:07:39.499+00:00also, what is a cargo bike library? Intrigued.also, what is a cargo bike library? Intrigued.Adamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13581337521891618679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7129037502516609710.post-82485368178329250072010-11-29T21:03:37.167+00:002010-11-29T21:03:37.167+00:00One of the main barriers I've found to cycling...One of the main barriers I've found to cycling with a cargo bike or trailers in Bristol is actually quite literally the barriers they put on the cycle paths. The worst one is at a point between the famous cycle path that brings you all the way to Bath and then you get stuck going through an underpass getting into town because of the barrier that you have to edge around, which is an impossible manoeuvre with a trailer or slightly wide or long bike. I know they're there for a reason (mostly to stop kids on mopeds) but they do stop you being able to get onto and off the paths with anything but an ordinary bike. Some (the tall triangular ones) even make it difficult if you have a child seat on the back.Adamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13581337521891618679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7129037502516609710.post-27459486465271397622010-11-29T20:47:03.574+00:002010-11-29T20:47:03.574+00:00Thanks everyone for your comments and contribution...Thanks everyone for your comments and contributions, it's been really interesting. <br /><br />Kim, I'm so sorry for that school boy error, I totally should have checked with you first. Please keep us up to date with your cargo bike club scheme.ibikelondonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06978714126105951294noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7129037502516609710.post-57611599695882137412010-11-29T18:19:49.070+00:002010-11-29T18:19:49.070+00:00I would like to point out for the record that I am...I would like to point out for the record that I am a him and not a her. Please could re-phrase your reference to me ;-)<br /><br />Great post and an interesting discussion.Kimhttp://kimharding.net/blog/?cat=9noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7129037502516609710.post-26386160250787278282010-11-29T16:47:03.564+00:002010-11-29T16:47:03.564+00:00The biggest advantage of a cargobike for me is tha...The biggest advantage of a cargobike for me is that the children and other cargo sit in the front and doesn't articulate. This means that I can have a conversation with my kids and don't need to worry about the trailer every time I take a turn For two wheelers it's also the width of a normal bike which means I don't have to worry about bollards (shows how good the infrastructure is in London). <br />I still ahve an AT3 trailer but hardly ever use it because I can't be bothered with assembling it, plus parking it is another hassle - you can't just leave it at the rack, you need to put it next to and lock it to your bike. <br />Then there is the cool factor :)ndruhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15324118775089929952noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7129037502516609710.post-70430216327091758682010-11-29T16:39:36.716+00:002010-11-29T16:39:36.716+00:00Why does it have to be a cargo bike? Most bikes c...Why does it have to be a cargo bike? Most bikes can carry / haul a lot of wait to begin with. Add a trailer and you've got yourself truck!<br /><br />Every Friday I take my ice hockey gear to work for shinny at lunch time - Canadian style.<br /><br />http://waterloobikes.ca/2010/10/15/commuter-cyclist-meets-lunch-hockey/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7129037502516609710.post-61694062938987240452010-11-29T15:27:39.336+00:002010-11-29T15:27:39.336+00:00@ndru. I got the wrong end of the stick there :-)
...@ndru. I got the wrong end of the stick there :-)<br /><br />I agree. The perception of safety is a key driver to the take-up of cycling by everyday folk.Jonathannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7129037502516609710.post-1138514232093617612010-11-29T15:16:53.259+00:002010-11-29T15:16:53.259+00:00I will not shop at GIANT bikes in Liverpool again...I will not shop at GIANT bikes in Liverpool again.asked them to check if |I'd attached my back wheel correctly when in shop to buy a new tyre and was told NO- IN CASE I SUE THEM !violet mazehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12753870082728311328noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7129037502516609710.post-79551638560050843442010-11-29T14:30:47.162+00:002010-11-29T14:30:47.162+00:00@Jonathan - sorry Jonathan, didn't mean that a...@Jonathan - sorry Jonathan, didn't mean that at all. I meant to say that the distance is and obstacle to mass cycling, not people who cycle long distances. <br />However I do feel that getting people to cycle en mass means we need to create a certain image of it. It connects with the general sense of safety on the roads and the infrastructure you mentioned. The current image is a "road warrior" battling the traffic, where everyone has set out to kill him/her. Not very appealing.ndruhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15324118775089929952noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7129037502516609710.post-33169035395802198262010-11-29T14:12:41.568+00:002010-11-29T14:12:41.568+00:00I couldn't afford a cargo bike so I got a Gaze...I couldn't afford a cargo bike so I got a Gazelle Bloom http://bit.ly/epMmxn<br />which can carry a surprising amount of stuff!<br />http://bit.ly/gky6aa<br />http://bit.ly/e9V7UG<br />http://bit.ly/fzweC7<br /><br />The handle bars are a bit wider than a normal bike and it is longer than a mountain bike (but the same size as my vintage Raleigh) and yes I have managed (but not often) to ride it up hill with two kids on.sheffield cycle chichttp://sheffieldcyclechic.tumblr.com/noreply@blogger.com