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This is an important ...Thanks Mark for your reply.<br /><br />This is an important point: "Your proposal would lead to less space for pedestrians leading to a higher likelihood of pedestrians filling the cycle track, rendering it unusable."<br /><br />I really don't see how this follows. Camden's proposal is for two lanes of motor traffic here. My proposal is for only one lane. it is surely clear that a two-way cycle track could be fitted into the same space as one of these lanes. Alternatively, two slightly substandard mandatory cycle lanes or stepped tracks could be fitted in, if we went for wide mono-directional segregated tracks for the rest of the road. The quality of provision possible on this short section where the width is restricted should not place the limit on the quality of provision for the rest of the very wide TCR, in my view.<br /><br />The ramped 'solution' to the loading bay issue on Gower Street is not merely 'not ideal', it sets a terrible precedent. in my view cycle routes need to work to the same standard 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. This is the only route to reliable, inclusive cycling conditions. <br /><br />I actually think no provision on Gower Street would be preferable to such a nasty compromise, ejecting cyclists into a heavy stream of traffic in an odd way surprising other road-users. <br /><br />Without the bay, we would probably get some illegal stopping and loading on the track – you see this sometimes in the NL and Denmark, but typically the track doesn't get totally blocked. The bay will convey the idea to drivers that it's a sensible idea to park right across the track. It will completely undermine it.David Ardittihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06255565837583244148noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7129037502516609710.post-19650895494197569092015-01-19T23:49:01.957+00:002015-01-19T23:49:01.957+00:00Can you please explain:
1. How is someone cycling ...Can you please explain:<br />1. How is someone cycling South on Gower meant to turn right, say into Torrington Place? The Copenhagen turn is pretty much unknown in this country; how are people supposed to understand that that is what they are meant to do?<br />2. I don't see the protected lane on Torrington Place, East of Gower; is that an omission in the drawing, or I have not understood well?<br />3. Why are there ASLs on Gower going North at University St and Grafton Way? Indeed why are there ASLs going South? Is that for the more confident cyclists? Is Camden still married for this double provision rubbish?<br />4. Does the Northbound cycle track disappear after Grafton Way?<br />ThanksAndreahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15898014560359608505noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7129037502516609710.post-68048198983849908492015-01-19T22:59:43.118+00:002015-01-19T22:59:43.118+00:00Hello @David
Regarding the loading bay, I don'...Hello @David <br />Regarding the loading bay, I don't disagree that it is far from perfect, as highlighted in my comment above. But do I think not supporting these plans at all is a wise move? No.<br /><br />The "flood", as you put it, of pedestrians is coming, and there is no amount of cycle campaigning which will stop it. As I highlight above, retaining your preferred one way option and installing a two way cycle track has its own problems. 2-way tracks have their own issues as you know, and your proposal would lead to less space for pedestrians leading to a higher likelihood of pedestrians filling the cycle track, rendering it unusable.<br /><br />I do not agree with your argument that returning the street to two-way will not be beneficial for pedestrians. You only need to try and cross Gower Street in its current fast moving form to know that slower speeds with two way working and narrower carriageways will be much better for those on foot.<br /><br />I can sense your frustration with the project and the processes behind it, but on this occasion I am afraid we disagree.ibikelondonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06978714126105951294noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7129037502516609710.post-72141245420892979012015-01-19T22:50:08.617+00:002015-01-19T22:50:08.617+00:00Hi @Anony Ms, thanks for your comment.
Just lik...Hi @Anony Ms, thanks for your comment. <br /><br />Just like you I do not think that the stepped cycle track with the loading bay in it is an optimal solution. I would much rather see it outside of the cycle track completely, and hope in the future there may be room for flexibility and getting this element of the scheme altered.<br /><br />However, I understand from talking to Camden that the stepped track will be ramped at the loading bay, allowing bikes (especially cargo bikes or bikes with heavy loads) to transit on and off the track safely. This would be similar to passing around a parked vehicle at present; not something I like doing but workable. I also think Camden have taken a sensible approach to creating a loading control scheme (something which is streets ahead of most other boroughs) which will ensure that at the busiest times when there are the most cyclists using the track the loading bays will not be parked in.<br /><br />I don't think this solution is perfect, but at this very late stage in proceedings I think it is workable and workable enough to get built. I don't like all of the elements of the plan, but I am trying to be pragmatic in the face of a fair amount of opposition to ANY cycle improvements.ibikelondonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06978714126105951294noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7129037502516609710.post-40097097434363209792015-01-19T20:48:21.486+00:002015-01-19T20:48:21.486+00:00The inclusion of a loading bay in a cycle track dr...The inclusion of a loading bay in a cycle track drives a coach and horses through the whole concept of dedicated cycle infrastructure. I can't see how anyone interested in inclusive cycling can support this.<br /><br />Additionally, you again lay great stress on this flood of pedestrians that is going to be produced by the Crossrail station. No-one has yet been able to explain to me how the creation of an entirely new southbound motor route for general traffic during the evenings and at weekends right through St Giles Circus is consistent with providing for these pedestrians. This point has consistently been evaded in all discussions I have had with promoters and supporters of this scheme. The existence of these extra pedestrians seems therefore to be being exploited arbitrarily in the arguments against cycle infrastructure but not against motor traffic lanes. It seems cycling is again being relegated to the bottom of the pile in Tottenham Court Road. I don't think cycle campaigners should support these plans.David Ardittihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06255565837583244148noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7129037502516609710.post-22469375931608509062015-01-19T19:52:14.396+00:002015-01-19T19:52:14.396+00:00Jumping kerbs on and off a cycle track to get arou...Jumping kerbs on and off a cycle track to get around an obstacle isn't so safe, particularly on a bike loaded with shopping, or children.There's a real risk of falling off into traffic. I'm very surprised you're supporting this.<br /><br />Anony MsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7129037502516609710.post-32842753614829616842015-01-19T19:45:46.358+00:002015-01-19T19:45:46.358+00:00Hi BillG, I'm not a massive fan of the planter...Hi BillG, I'm not a massive fan of the planters on Royal College Street either, though I suppose they are effective in putting in quick and cheap solutions.<br /><br />The segregation on Gower Street will not be like Royal College Street but will be stepped cycle tracks like you'd find in most of Denmark or on Old Shoreham Rd in Sussex.ibikelondonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06978714126105951294noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7129037502516609710.post-689397505895309132015-01-19T18:13:21.656+00:002015-01-19T18:13:21.656+00:00I am not convinced by the light segregation propos...I am not convinced by the light segregation proposed for Gower Street. My experience from the same infrastructure on Royal College street is that it is fine during rush hour but when I work early or late shifts the lanes are often blocked by parked vehicles. And that is ignoring the fact that most of the planters have been damaged, three are missing from outside the Prince Albert pub and have been since November.<br />Let's have proper segregation, like the lane that used to run down Royal College street.<br />BillGAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7129037502516609710.post-75689775948366199092015-01-19T16:01:36.792+00:002015-01-19T16:01:36.792+00:00Hello Simon,
As a minicab driver I can understand...Hello Simon,<br /><br />As a minicab driver I can understand your concerns. I have read the Professional Drivers report on the consultation, but I do not agree with much of what it says. I note that the majority of consultation responses were supportive.<br /><br />You will not be banned from picking up directly from hospitals in the area - you will be able to access those buildings in much the same way as you do now.<br /><br />On Gower Street, you will see that stepped tracks are now being used instead of armadillos. This means that the curb line will be higher, making it easier for people in wheelchairs to get in and out of cars. If you need to pick someone up who is in a wheelchair, you pull up alongside the kerbed cycle track - you will find that people will stop and let you do your thing. Cyclists are not total monsters!<br /><br />I expect fast and slow cyclists will want to use the cycle tracks on Gower Street as they will provide a more comfortable alternative to what is there now. If a few also wish to use the carriageway because they are so fast, this will be no different to what you contend with now and indeed if they are so fast they will probably be going faster than you anyway.<br /><br />Regarding emissions, excluding general traffic from Tottenham Court Road will reduce emissions on it. Considering it frequently exceeds its NOX2 emission levels, this is a good thing. <br /><br />Lastly, please note that this post does not refer to the Cycle Superhighways, which is a Transport for London scheme - the West End Project is a Camden Council initiative.ibikelondonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06978714126105951294noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7129037502516609710.post-89284302643275871702015-01-19T14:37:41.963+00:002015-01-19T14:37:41.963+00:00I'm assuming you did not see or read the profe...I'm assuming you did not see or read the professional drivers report on the consultation.Perhaps you can tell me how private hire picks up disabled or elderly passengers or indeed the ill from the many hospitals in the area.Where in your mind do working vehicles go with these stupid plans other than already over congested roads and lastly do you think that the racing Rider will use the cycle highway or the road space for vehicular traffic which will be smaller when they are riding faster than the majority of law abiding riders.Do you think this will cause more accidents.Importantly too what are Camdens projections for extra emissions in the area or are they just passing the buck to Westminster.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04366220936536399842noreply@blogger.com