tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7129037502516609710.post6579286111603088659..comments2024-03-28T06:35:20.422+00:00Comments on i b i k e l o n d o n: Cycling to Suffrage - who will get more women on bikes?ibikelondonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06978714126105951294noreply@blogger.comBlogger24125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7129037502516609710.post-42517102624541047412018-06-26T15:32:13.391+01:002018-06-26T15:32:13.391+01:00Very interesting article! Very interesting article! Mariahttps://www.bikeberry.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7129037502516609710.post-64108928489980633032012-10-26T18:22:01.044+01:002012-10-26T18:22:01.044+01:00Links- lol!!!Links- lol!!!Purple Suehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17470963638369801189noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7129037502516609710.post-31188695425916022032012-10-26T18:20:45.011+01:002012-10-26T18:20:45.011+01:00Interesting and I agree with many points.
Cycling ...Interesting and I agree with many points.<br />Cycling is not all about racing, and the high profile sportwomen we have. There are a number of ladies/ women's cycle groups around the country (www.chesterfabulousladies.blogspot.com - there are inks to others in the country I have found so far) - we emphasise leisure and social cycling; and encourage women to come out get used to pedalling and their abilities. <br />Must say I agree about retail - even good local bike shops seem to have a penchant for selling racing machines - they do look lovely, but without mudguards or a rack for a sensible bag, not under seat pouch - they are not suitable for touring and longer distance rides.<br />Women encourage other women out; there is a very different feel in an all woman group than mixed, it is about confidence - not just with traffic but also mechanics (puncture) and getting lost.Purple Suehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17470963638369801189noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7129037502516609710.post-61231835460630192382012-09-13T22:02:10.576+01:002012-09-13T22:02:10.576+01:00Great blog! Great post! (Sorry I missed it when it...Great blog! Great post! (Sorry I missed it when it first went out. Working my way now through a few of the 'regulars' after some time away.)<br /><br />This post reminded me of a quote from an unidentified Baltimore preacher in 1896, who was complaining that most of his congregation was missing because they were out riding their bikes! <br /><br />“These bladder-wheeled bicycles are diabolical devices of the demon of darkness. They are contrivances to trap the feet of the unwary and skin the nose of the innocent. They are full of guile and deceit. When you think you have broken one to ride, and subdued its wild and Satanic nature, behold, it bucketh you off in the road and teareth a great hole in your pants. Look not on the bike when it bloweth upon its wheels, for at last it bucketh like a bronco and hurteth like thunder. Who has skinned legs? Who has a bloody nose? Who has ripped breeches? They that dally along with the bicycle.”<br /><br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06078005892204789394noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7129037502516609710.post-5437865061091670542012-09-10T09:27:25.026+01:002012-09-10T09:27:25.026+01:00I really enjoyed this blog. Thanks for going and w...I really enjoyed this blog. Thanks for going and writing about the exhibition and the subject. However, if you are looking for latter day suffragettes and evidence of bicycles providing everyday freedoms, you'd do well to look beyond the velodrome and consider the grassroots of women on bikes. I'm not denying the inspiration elite sportswomen give us but as far as London is concerned you could check out the likes of the Shoreditch Sisters Radiant Riders and the London Bike Kitchen. Beyond London there really is no shortage of female bike bloggers, some of which are even prepared to add enough deeds to their words to qualify as 'latter day suffragettes'EllenSnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7129037502516609710.post-65150948434298137762012-09-05T13:46:40.947+01:002012-09-05T13:46:40.947+01:00@Austen It *is* vastly different to here in London...@Austen It *is* vastly different to here in London, indeed both Copenhagen and the Netherlands more women than men cycle due to the factors discussed above re single car families and fewer women learning to drive. When Mums can ride a bike it with their children it becomes a really fundamental and liberating thing.ibikelondonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06978714126105951294noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7129037502516609710.post-80074814980788544202012-09-05T13:04:42.275+01:002012-09-05T13:04:42.275+01:00On holiday in Copenhagen and Malmo recently, I not...On holiday in Copenhagen and Malmo recently, I noticed that the proportion of women cycling was about equal with men, which seems vastly different from London. Austenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15975752180599891677noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7129037502516609710.post-71011812407990656922012-09-05T11:20:33.626+01:002012-09-05T11:20:33.626+01:00Interesting read, thanks for sharing!Interesting read, thanks for sharing!Kellyhttp://www.magicshineuk.co.uknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7129037502516609710.post-91909383111492486372012-09-04T22:35:54.009+01:002012-09-04T22:35:54.009+01:00Paul M - you raise an important point about cycle ...Paul M - you raise an important point about cycle retail. I would add inappropriate advice and service as well as inadequate or inappropriate bikes to your list.<br /><br />A few weeks ago I was gratefully using the free bike pump outside a branch of a cycle retail chain store for the bikes of my wife's and I. Later on she told me that she overheard the young (male) sales assistant trying to get a young woman to buy a 'trendy' bike and getting a bit irked when what she wanted was a practical bike with an upright riding position and probably a basket on the front for practicality. My wife regretted not saying anything to the young woman afterwards about how the advice she was getting was totally inappropriate, and I was sorry not to have overheard it myself as I would have said something. I hear such stories from other people too about inappropriate bicycle advice.<br /><br />This has been a problem for many years. The advent of 'cycling cafes' and independent shops that cater for a younger 'trendier' crowd seems like something of a welcome development but even here there may be a slight tendency for bicycle fashion fascism, or 'fashism', if you will. But maybe I'm being a bit unfair.<br /><br />However, if much of the cycling retail sector is trying to sell bikes people aren't comfortable with, it doesn't bode well for the growth of cycling. Maybe I should get LCC to offer good advice on its website.<br /><br />As an aside, I recently bought a Dutch bike, and it is magnificent. I feel like I'm driving a Cadillac. The question that arises is, if the Dutch make bikes this good, might it even be slightly possible thay they make cycle facilities this good as well? As it is, my Dutch bike makes my cycling such a joy that even UK conditions are that bit better. Maybe there's a lesson there somewhere.<br /><br />P.S. Mark - Good luck with the urban conference!Philip Loyhttp://twitter.com/philiploynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7129037502516609710.post-64463862450751384592012-09-03T16:44:45.076+01:002012-09-03T16:44:45.076+01:00I suspect most people who currently cycle do so de...I suspect most people who currently cycle do so despite, not because of, any infrastructure provided for them. The reason why Cambridge ranks top is no doubt at least partly because of the student population, who either can't afford cars or can think of better ways ot spend their money. Portsmouth certainly has some quite reasonable cycle lanes, 20 limits and a fairly benign motoring population, but its cycling uptake is more driven by historic and geographical factors which predate the positive measures.<br /><br />I expect women cycle there because you can't park a car at work, and can only park one car at home, in the warren of Edwardian terrace streets which make up most of the housing stock - and yes it is usually the man of the house who gets the car.<br /><br />Among the factors which I imagine influence women's choice of the bicycle, alongside safety concerns, harrassment, availability or lack of alternatives etc, must surely be what is offered by retailers. I expect most people buy bikes at chainstores, and those are heavily dominated by men's bikes. The women's range is often just a crappily feminised verison of the mens bikes, and neither the men's nor the women's bikes are really fit for purpose - MTBs to ride flat city streets, with no mudguards, chaincase, lights or rack? Sure, you can have them fitted - as extras - but what you see in the catalogue is totally bare, looks unsuitable, and is in effect advertised for considerably less than its true cost by the time you add all these things.Paul Mhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07929808238663838155noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7129037502516609710.post-15300642087068562782012-09-03T16:11:37.036+01:002012-09-03T16:11:37.036+01:00Eeek! Sorry for the misunderstanding.Eeek! Sorry for the misunderstanding.Fruity Bluehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01052465084530923295noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7129037502516609710.post-10249130893661078042012-09-03T15:44:27.689+01:002012-09-03T15:44:27.689+01:00@FruityBlue You misunderstand me! I'm saying e...@FruityBlue You misunderstand me! I'm saying exactly what you're saying - that there is clearly a lot of demand for cycle friendly conditions. I - of course - think that a city-wide cycle network would be a wonderful thing. On the other hand, whether a revitalized LCN+ would actually be that wonderful thing is totally up for debate (the 1st LCN didn't exactly blow the world apart) and I have an open mind about it (see my comment above about the necessity of having lots of things, the most important of which being separated infrastructure on the main roads)ibikelondonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06978714126105951294noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7129037502516609710.post-63237093607354519162012-09-03T14:52:38.031+01:002012-09-03T14:52:38.031+01:00@ibikelondon Huh?
Are you saying that the develop...@ibikelondon <a href="http://www.cyclelifestyle.co.uk/index.php?option=com_k2&view=item&id=302%3Aolympic-countdown-reasons-for-a-london-cycle-map-&Itemid=89#2-your-comments&Itemid=1" rel="nofollow">Huh?</a><br /><br />Are you saying that the development of a comprehensive, city-wide cycle network would <i>not</i> make for more cycle-friendly conditions? <br /><br />Wow.<br />Fruity Bluehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01052465084530923295noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7129037502516609710.post-69410708888958580062012-09-03T14:06:02.279+01:002012-09-03T14:06:02.279+01:00@FruityBlue I think if anything that the petition ...@FruityBlue I think if anything that the petition demonstrates just how much women would like more cycle-friendly conditions.<br /><br />@Annisa Harassment in the streets is not something I'd thought about when I wrote this article, but it should have been. People I know have shared very similar experiences to you, even from drivers at high speed pulling alongside them and behaving outrageously as both vehicles travel down the road. This sort of behaviour by a minority of men is not just disgusting it is downright dangerous. <br /><br />With regards to negative stereotypes discouraging women from cycling sadly these can even come from our own fellow cyclists; the kiss and jersey giving girls on the podium of the major bike races spring to mind, as does a recent advertising campaign by a new bike apparel start up which proclaimed their products were proudly 'not for girls' (the insinuation being that girls had no need for performance bike wear because they couldn't ride bikes fast enough) How common a problem is this sort of thing? Being a man unfortunately I don't know, and I don't know how to go about fixing it either, other than hoping that one day women will be such a common site on a bike that no one will blink an eye and everyone will feel that they could do the same.ibikelondonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06978714126105951294noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7129037502516609710.post-33145386895619059712012-09-03T13:52:46.050+01:002012-09-03T13:52:46.050+01:00I think the questions Mark poses at the end of his...I think the questions Mark poses at the end of his post are really interesting. Our sporting heroes are an inspiration and have brought cycling to the attention of many people who perhaps weren't interested in cycling before. However, they are athletes and it's difficult to relate to them as an utility/commuter/leisure cyclist. When I first got into cycling I saw women on their bikes on the streets of London and thought, "This seems feasable for me, I could do this." Similarly, I imagine seeing the Suffragettes riding around town in bloomers would have caught the imagination and attention of many people, both men and women. <br /><br />The women I speak to about cycling, who don't cycle themselves, overwhelmingly say they would love to cycle but they fear the traffic, they feel like they have to wear lycra/helmets/hi-viz and that they think it's not safe. I think it requires political will to change how our roads are designed and operate so they are safer and easier to use. However, something needs to change on a societal level too. There are too many negative stereotypes and misconceptions about cycling that discourage women from taking up cycling and make our roads more aggressive than they need be, e.g. the road tax brigade and their ilk. <br /><br />Something that doesn't get mentioned often is that women experience more instances of street harassment than men (see http://ash-campaign.org/) and that's before we've even gotten on our bikes. Myself and the women I know who cycle experience a different kind of street harassment that is frequently of a sexual nature and may also involve dangerous or threatening driving. Personally, I experience more street harassment on my bike than off, which can really ruin my ride.Annisanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7129037502516609710.post-3413919057098212112012-09-03T13:45:02.392+01:002012-09-03T13:45:02.392+01:00Ben Irvine at Cycle Lifestyle has suggested that t...Ben Irvine at Cycle Lifestyle has suggested that the development of a revitalised London Cycling Network would <a href="http://www.cyclelifestyle.co.uk/index.php?option=com_k2&view=item&id=287%3Aolympic-countdown-reasons-for-a-london-cycle-map-&Itemid=89#16-inspiring-more-women-to-cycle&Itemid=1" rel="nofollow">inspire more women to cycle</a>. Interestingly, I have just looked at the last 100 signatories of the LCMC <a href="http://www.petition.co.uk/london-cycle-map-campaign/" rel="nofollow">petition</a>, and it looks like about 43% are women.<br /><br />Fruity Bluehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01052465084530923295noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7129037502516609710.post-175577175756134692012-09-03T10:50:26.833+01:002012-09-03T10:50:26.833+01:00The London Cycling Campaign is encouraging more wo...The London Cycling Campaign is encouraging more women to put themselves forward as trustees. Find out more here:<br /><br />http://goo.gl/PctCa<br /><br />Anyone who's an LCC member can nominate themselves - by 10am on Mon 10 Sept. Why not do it yourself, or perhaps encourage someone you know?mike-LCChttp://www.lcc.org.uknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7129037502516609710.post-19112731692200655262012-09-03T10:32:08.308+01:002012-09-03T10:32:08.308+01:00Rare Collections of video. I admit, I have not bee...Rare Collections of video. I admit, I have not been on this video in a long time... I have great time spend in this blog. I never expect this. really nice.<br /><br /><a href="http://kredytkonsolidacyjny.kutno.pl/" rel="nofollow">kredyt konsolidacyjny</a>Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04664274874016731145noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7129037502516609710.post-30165114496030015072012-09-03T10:30:58.600+01:002012-09-03T10:30:58.600+01:00@George Thanks. It's a very big hill we're...@George Thanks. It's a very big hill we're pushing our bikes up, but we've got to get to the top somehow!<br /><br />@Paul You're absolutely right - the prospect of women wearing "men's clothes" in order to ride comfortably and safely shocked many in society. There were also all sorts of strange slightly pervish concerns fascinated with the effects of saddles on femininity which I think, perhaps, still haven't gone away entirely today. If you're not familiar with the story of Annie Londonderry, the woman who scandalised America by cycling around the world alone, in trousers, you should definitely look it up!ibikelondonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06978714126105951294noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7129037502516609710.post-82004966797764129702012-09-03T10:26:57.946+01:002012-09-03T10:26:57.946+01:00I read that the women outraged London society when...I read that the women outraged London society when they started cycling in Battersea Park and wearing "Bloomers" trousers on the bikes. <br /><br />It's easy to underestimate the resistance they overcame for the right to cycle in public. Coincidentally on the north side of Battersea Bridge is Sylvia Pankhurst's house on Cheyne Walk.Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10925135055036701846noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7129037502516609710.post-33347198156062311712012-09-03T10:05:46.181+01:002012-09-03T10:05:46.181+01:00Completely agree with this article and with your l...Completely agree with this article and with your last post, ibikelondon: <br /><br />"we need all these things and more"<br /><br />Well said! Spot on!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14407671402630861625noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7129037502516609710.post-72557890305588812002012-09-03T09:54:40.615+01:002012-09-03T09:54:40.615+01:00That's interesting, Will, I had heard that the...That's interesting, Will, I had heard that there had been stirrings in Portsmouth and that more and more people were taking to their bikes there. I think, perhaps, when you start to get real mass cycling rates it is not down to one single thing but the accumulative effect of lots of things; flatness, relative speeds on shared roads, cycle parking, high quality infrastructure on non-shared routes etc. I've believed for a long time now that here in the UK our problem is often that cycle advocates themselves only champion their own cause; some think it is all about 20mph zones, others believe the key is in training, and only push for their corner. The key, of course, is that we need all of these things and more. It's good to hear that there is a better gender balance in Portsmouth - long may it continue!ibikelondonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06978714126105951294noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7129037502516609710.post-3724423495746392122012-09-03T09:36:53.055+01:002012-09-03T09:36:53.055+01:00ratio!ratio!Willie Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11745553398286725511noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7129037502516609710.post-46390665927480224632012-09-03T09:36:26.279+01:002012-09-03T09:36:26.279+01:00I was amazed at the male/female cyclist ration in ...I was amazed at the male/female cyclist ration in Portsmouth: on a recent visit there were far more women on bikes there than anywhere I've seen in the UK. Is it that it's flat, or is there a 20mph halo effect on to other roads (ore considerate driving) that is encouraging more women and girls to take to two wheels?Willie Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11745553398286725511noreply@blogger.com